As screenwriters, we have all been advised not write a story requiring a "cast of thousands" or numerous exotic, difficult-to-get-to locations. They are signaling the screenplay is too expensive. My experience has been with shoestring 'industrial' and marketing short films and videos. Budget was sacrosanct if you wanted to turn a profit. As an object lesson for my feature screenplays, I have a line producer or experienced production accountant create a budget for my first draft (assuming I have some production notes at that point). That guides me on reworking the story ensuring it is more budget friendly. Anyone else do this when writing spec?
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I've never had a line producer or experienced production accountant make a budget for my first draft, Robert Franklin Godwin III, but I figure out what the budget range is (micro, low, mid, or big). If I'm writing a big-budget script or a big-budget stunt script, I don't worry too much about how many characters, locations, etc. are in the script, but if the script is micro-budget, low-budget, or mid-budget, I'm really careful about character count, etc.
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Maurice Vaughan I aim for the micro-to-low budget genre films. More churn there for an opportunity to sell a spec script. As such, budgetmindedness will (hopefully) payoff.
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Just my take—chances are super low that anything you write will actually get made, so make it easy on yourself. A lot of writers come up with stories that would cost millions to shoot. Try writing something that could be made for under $200k. Use basic common sense—no need for explosions or helicopter chases. Wishing you the best, and whatever happens, keep writing and pitching!
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Stephen Folker Precisely my take on the topic. Although $200K is a one room, one actor on screen and another 'voice behind the door' thriller (yawn). I have to admit Texas Chainsaw Massacre did well.
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On another note Robert Franklin Godwin III - 200k doesn't have to be a one room one actor film. That's where good producers that can get stuff done comes in handy! I'm a full time producer / filmmaker and my clients don't have those types of budgets...but we still get unique spots (hospitals, schools, jails, working farms, etc). Just a matter of where the budget is allocated. But we still avoid big visual effects and large crews which cost lots of $$$$$.
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I have produced 22 hours with no-budget films, including 3 TV-movies. I don't count what ingredients will cost, but I leave out anything expensive. So in my new script which I want to sell, there is one car, a few guns, 4 offices, and so on. Just things which are trivial. I have never seen this as a limitation. And when it comes to special effects, I only include what I can create myself in my editing computer.
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Göran Johansson You are very brave. Is anyone paid on a 'no-budget' film? Where does the money come from? Are you always able to cover payroll? Suppliers fees? Curious how no-budget works.
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No-budget means that there is no money to pay people. My 3 TV-movies cost me 1,000 dollars each. Some people are able to sell distribution rights for their no-budget films, but the market situation is not funny so I have given away the distribution rights to public access television stations.
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Göran Johansson And so your goal is to create. Good for you. A true artist. Vincent Van Gough simply created, much as you have. Just don't cut off your ear.
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I'm very new to screenwriting but so far I'm just writing with my heart rather than with a budget in mind. Basically just telling a story and seeing where it goes.
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Robert Franklin Godwin III I usually don't think a lot about it, but I do try for more modest stories with limited characters and locations anyway. I generally don't have much interest in big-budget fair (writing for or watching). But I also have no idea what the true cost would be for my feature screenplays to make it to screen. I did just write a short that involves four characters in a single location purposefully to be low-budget. On the other hand, I'm working on a feature screenplay that, so far, mostly takes place in 1953 on the Isle of Crete. This morning I was wondering if I'm being silly. And yet, I'm still going to give it a go. Your idea to have a line producer or experienced production accountant create a budget for your first draft is a great idea. I need to look into that. What should I expect to pay someone to do that for me?
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Tucker Teague I have hired a line producer and an production accountant for exactly two screenplays I wrote and three that other's wrote. I will only cite the costs for my screenplays.
Line Producer: A period piece taking place in 1972, and excluding talent, and cinematographer. 108 pages and lots of locations so a lot of things to estimate. $500 was what he charged, and that was a big, big favor as he is realistic in regard to actual costs.
Production Accountant: The other was a 110 page horror script. A lot of set building and location shooting. Supporting cast (not the leads), Hotel and food plus location support staff requirements. That was $1200. Both yielded what I think are realistic budgets.
These were for shooting. Post production was not included. I have keep track of the costs and budgeted a short film using an Excel template. Since I did it there are likely things missed or incorrectly calcuated, but the number seemed realistic. That cost only my time. Best to have a pro do the estimate.
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Thanks Robert Franklin Godwin III , that really helps. And the costs are kinda what I thought they would be.
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I worked with a producer who created films for 10k and he has over 100 under his belt Robert Franklin Godwin III and he did the specila effects himself and they were not bad.
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