Greetings. I'm a cinematographer based out of Los AngelesI mostly working in features, commercials, and music videos. Look forward to meeting others of you and perhaps collaborating on your productions.
Greetings. I'm a cinematographer based out of Los AngelesI mostly working in features, commercials, and music videos. Look forward to meeting others of you and perhaps collaborating on your productions.
This is aimed at those who are starting to produce their first films, but may be worthwhile for newer shooters too. I have had DP reels of my own for 20 years, and viewed those of others for longer. Having discussed this with agents, producers and other DPs at length, here are some thoughts about na...
Expand postThis is aimed at those who are starting to produce their first films, but may be worthwhile for newer shooters too. I have had DP reels of my own for 20 years, and viewed those of others for longer. Having discussed this with agents, producers and other DPs at length, here are some thoughts about narrative reels; commercial reels and music video reels will be quite different. When seeking a DP and looking at reels : 1) Turn the sound off. Really. You are hiring a DP, and the music people use to sexy -up their reels or evoke emotion detract at best, and at worst, enhance. Great for a movie- not for screening DPs. 2) Watch for coverage. Many reels have a montage of beautiful shots, but virtually none from the same scene. You will want to see complete scenes and how they are covered and cut. Yes, some of this can be the editor's hand, but someone shot it first. 5 minutes of pretty but disjoint shots tells you little about the DP's ability to deliver footage that works in toto. 3) Watch for style. A big mistake people make when hiring DPs ( not just indies- it happens at all levels) is to look for the exact scenes in your head to appear on a reel. That won't happen. What may serve you better is if the lighting and camera styles favored in the reel are remotely similar in sensibility to something you like, then further discuss your ideas with that DP and see if they can come up with some ideas in support of your vision. Whatever movie you make, you will build it together anyway. You cannot order cinematography off a menu. That said, there are people who do a couple looks well, and they don't deviate. So you need to know if there is flexibility outside the reel. 4) Ask about impressive scenes. Were they shot for the reel specifically ? From a movie? Did the DP also direct ? How long did it take ? We live in age when people can make all kinds of great imagery with lots of resources of time money and manpower, and also with very little. It's hard to tell how people got the results they got. You want to get an idea that the work that so impresses you comes from a person and a process that fits what you are doing, with the resources you have. 5) Ask to see the whole movie, if you like the reel scenes. But don't judge the cinematography by the acting or the score.. good or bad. Excuses or about how it's not available may or may not mean something worth investigating further. ( I had a filmmaker ask about a horrible movie I shot that wasn't on my reel; he found it at WalMart in the $5 bin. He was ready to hire me but his wife insisted they find a random film of mine and watch it. Without leading, he asked me about it. I said " My kid needed to eat". He laughed, and said if I had defended it or squirmed, he would not have hired me. But I digress... 6) Be clear on what the DP actually did in the reel. This used to be a given, but times are muddied a bit. If you seek a DP who operates all their own footage, be sure that ghostly handheld was them and not their operator. If you want someone who follows your Director, make sure the DP has worked as a DP- there are many DP/ Director/Editor types who do nice work on their own but may or may not fit taking the lead of another. And since camera operation is only a part of the job, who lit the scenes ? Was the DP a hands-on gaffer too, does he lean on his gaffer, can he light at all ? These are questions generated by some reels; the answers are important but may be hard to get and have to be asked tactfully or round-about. 7) A reel seldom tells you who to hire. It usually tells you who NOT to hire, right away. When you start at 100 and come back to 3 or 4, then you have to sit down and figure out if you can go to war with one of those DPs joined at your hip.
Excellent points, especially number 7.
Patrick, the bargain-bin stinker that almost cost me a gig was the 20th Century Fox direct to video release SNITCH'D ... 2003 I think. It was Eva Longoria's first feature; we shot it in the late 90's...
Expand commentPatrick, the bargain-bin stinker that almost cost me a gig was the 20th Century Fox direct to video release SNITCH'D ... 2003 I think. It was Eva Longoria's first feature; we shot it in the late 90's and when she blew up, it got released. It gets no less stinky with time.. if they had MST 3000 for gangster flicks, it would be on there ;)
Andrew, we will have to agree to disagree. Some of the points you make actually confirm my points. The mere cutting of a DP reel deviates the footage from the filmmaker's original intention. While the...
Expand commentAndrew, we will have to agree to disagree. Some of the points you make actually confirm my points. The mere cutting of a DP reel deviates the footage from the filmmaker's original intention. While there are plenty of do-it-all filmmakers, you will not find most of them cutting DP reels, and I am talking about DP reels here , NOT editing reels. NOT directing reels, NOT acting reels. Rhythmic editing, emotional music mix... tell me nothing about a DP other than he can hire a good editor. Multi camera, live concert footage - maybe. Not for narrative. And as I stated, commercials and music video reels are NOT what I am talking about. If you think it's rude to turn the sound off I can only chuckle and shake my head... how often do people sit and look at footage and discuss it with the sound off or inaudible ? it's idealistic and naive to think " all due respect" is afforded an artist's samples. Actor, musician, DP...get real. I would bet most reels are first viewed on smartphones in 2014. That's how I view them.
Good advice. I am guilty of cutting to music and only putting in snippets of the best shots, (though I do strive to put in a variety) which has actually gotten me the criticism that my reel looks like...
Expand commentGood advice. I am guilty of cutting to music and only putting in snippets of the best shots, (though I do strive to put in a variety) which has actually gotten me the criticism that my reel looks like a series of Cosmo layouts. I do, however, direct potential clients to my website where I have links to films that they can watch in their entirety. I will recut it along the lines of your advice and see what happens.
Royce, these are opinions, as such it is easy for there to be many approaches. If there was one “right” way, it would be very easy. I’m curious, given your opinion, do you have music on your reels? Wh...
Expand commentRoyce, these are opinions, as such it is easy for there to be many approaches. If there was one “right” way, it would be very easy. I’m curious, given your opinion, do you have music on your reels? While I understand if the audio is there the viewer can turn it off, but if the reel is better viewed with the audio off why offer a lesser method of viewing? The rest of it sounds like a good discussion to have over a beer sometime.
So how many of you cinematographers operate your own camera? Do you think an operator detracts something from a DP's role?
I operate on a very, very small level (just graduated recently), but so far I like operating the camera. Without sounding egotistical, I trust my ability to get the shots I want to see, and I feel lik...
Expand commentI operate on a very, very small level (just graduated recently), but so far I like operating the camera. Without sounding egotistical, I trust my ability to get the shots I want to see, and I feel like the less I have to explain myself on a single camera shoot, the more efficient things are. Like E. said though, if you're talking a multi-camera set up, I can only imagine how tricky things become. In a small, well controlled environment , I don't see any problem with the cinematographer running camera, assuming they're capable and willing. I'd personally love to do both on a larger scale one day.
A good DP can communicate what he wants to see in every shot very simply and a good operator can see the lighting set up and pick up on the great images provided making it a seamless image. I have don...
Expand commentA good DP can communicate what he wants to see in every shot very simply and a good operator can see the lighting set up and pick up on the great images provided making it a seamless image. I have done DP/Operator work on a lot of small indie stuff, but I would rather work under a great DP and just operate the camera and collaborate on shots with the DP and Director. Just my thoughts.
I have to admit I would love to work with a talented operator, I think it would give (depending on the project obviously) a great angle having a fresh pair of eyes slightly more disconnected to the project than the director.
I do both. There are times when you just have to operate yourself. A lot of indie low budget stuff, would not hire a competent op. On bigger stuff, you get better talent, and can focus on the over ath...
Expand commentI do both. There are times when you just have to operate yourself. A lot of indie low budget stuff, would not hire a competent op. On bigger stuff, you get better talent, and can focus on the over atheistic without focusing on the move itself. Having an op does allow for seeing the bigger picture better.
I have done photography for nearly 30 yrs now and enjoy operating the camera. However, I DP a lot of multi-camera shoots and there I have to rely on good photographers to operate those cameras. It is...
Expand commentI have done photography for nearly 30 yrs now and enjoy operating the camera. However, I DP a lot of multi-camera shoots and there I have to rely on good photographers to operate those cameras. It is more important to me as DP that the operator is a good photographer more so than someone who knows the specific camera being used,
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Welcome to this great community, Gustavo. Hope to see you on the lounges.