Filmmakers & Producers: Kindly post your comments. I will be posting more discussions in the lounge so be ready to respond and share.
Filmmakers & Producers: Kindly post your comments. I will be posting more discussions in the lounge so be ready to respond and share.
So, my business partner asks me to come on to this "Feature" she's producing as the Line Producer and 1st AD. As you know, that's a lot of work. So, she gives me the impression that since I'm doing the budget, to just make sure I budget myself into the payment of this whole thing. After receiving th...
Expand postSo, my business partner asks me to come on to this "Feature" she's producing as the Line Producer and 1st AD. As you know, that's a lot of work. So, she gives me the impression that since I'm doing the budget, to just make sure I budget myself into the payment of this whole thing. After receiving the script, I have to reformat it into the correct formatting, character introductions are missing, there are shots and transitions written into every scene, there are 2 scenes listed back to back for a scene that doesn't change & has the same characters in, there's an overabundance of descriptions written into the action sequences and it's just a hot mess. I get the script, and start condensing it down so that I can do a breakdown on it, both the producer and screenwriter/producer/director/actor know this. So, yesterday, I have a meeting with him and he is not able to fully wrap his head around the edits I've suggested. For instance, "Bob is walking by. He is mad and scowls" vs "Bob angrily walks by". Not major, in my opinion, but I try to explain to him that action just really doesn't have to be wordy and some of what he has is repetitive. So, we go over all the edits I suggest, I emphasize that he needs to introduce each character, which kinda baffles him. He literally asks, "So, I choose introduce them before they speak?". Yes. He then proceeds to tell me that I won't be getting paid and that while he is in front of the camera, one of his friends will be there to take over as the director. (Pause) Am I offended? No. Am I stupid? No. I turn to him and say, well, just have him do it, it would take a load off of me. If he can be there, there's no point in having me do both jobs. Later, I speak to the producer, who again, is my business partner and politely inform her that everyone is trippin' if they all think I'm going to do 2 jobs, for free, and someone else is going to be there to do part of my job instead of just doing the whole job myself. So, in essence, they were under the believe that I would just be doing all the work while this other person comes in and does creative stuff while I sit my butt in a corner quietly? I don't think so. As a Line Producer, I'll breakdown the script, I'll get him on point and I'll help in any capacity, but for free, don't expect me to devote all my time as 2 positions and then talk about how someone else gets to do the easier of the parts. Crazy. So, I've declined to be the 1st AD, since he already has someone to do it. I'm just ranting because I cannot believe that this is happening and he expects for me to be treated like a slave. Who shoots a 105 page feature for free? Am I wrong here? I'll take your opinions into consideration.
Don't assume. And yeah, that's not much of a business there if they're not paying you. People often get confused by the name of the position, Craig - AD is a producer track role, not an above the line creative track role.
So, I sent the producer and director an email letting them know that I would not be working on this film and good luck to them. With your opinions, I think it made I t easier. Thanks again!
Thanks for your post. it resonated with many and informed more than a few .. and seems like you got some community support , so thanks to the members
NO! Your not wrong! There's a FOOL here in San Diego trying to shoot a 180pg Vampire flick (of all genre's to pick) for free. He's always posting BS on facebook looking for free cast and crew. Can't w...
Expand commentNO! Your not wrong! There's a FOOL here in San Diego trying to shoot a 180pg Vampire flick (of all genre's to pick) for free. He's always posting BS on facebook looking for free cast and crew. Can't wait to see the production value. No one want's to see a Vampire movie after what's been done recently. If things are weird from the beginning you can expect it to get worse long before it gets better...if at all. It's funny how people want to pretend that they're professionals and yet they don't even know the basics of film making. Do all the hard work and then when it gets to production when it gets exciting, they replace you? F-THAT! My opinion is if someone is that stupid... QUIT! I give writers a break though. I myself write in a fashion that is "Actor" friendly. I do give descriptions that allow the talent to get a grip on the character. But I also direct what I write for the most part. It's all about a good story and great characters that the audience can relate too and care about or hate. If you don't have that... RUN!
@Kerry, I get that. I really do. It was just overly verbose and repetitive. I've given my regards to the Director and Producer and I really hope that they can get it together and knock it out. I just...
Expand comment@Kerry, I get that. I really do. It was just overly verbose and repetitive. I've given my regards to the Director and Producer and I really hope that they can get it together and knock it out. I just don't see myself in it or wasting my time to do so many functions when there are others that can do the part and are willing to do it for free.
Wow. Okay, I really really underestimated how Stage 32 is filled with a vast amount of filmmakers from all over the world. Never been connected to people who love creating movies as much as I do in such a quick period of time!
this community here was one of my dreams ... very nice to meet this amount of filmmakers/ film industry people ...
Thrilled the site is working for all of you. Thanks for posting, Steve. I invite you to share any of your experiences over in the Success Stories section of the Lounge as well. Thanks again!
I also feel the population of members engaged in a great variety of filmmaking disciplines and the great many new members from non-US locations are very encouraging trends here on Stage 32. If continu...
Expand commentI also feel the population of members engaged in a great variety of filmmaking disciplines and the great many new members from non-US locations are very encouraging trends here on Stage 32. If continued, otherwise disparate film professionals could, as members here, begin to develop a real sense of global community in which they can rely on each other for their projects. Enabling global collaboration may seem lofty but, as it gains traction, Stage 32 could become the platform to accomplish that! Best of luck.
It's seriously so impressive. The amount of people that are connected and so willing to ask questions/share. I love it! Can't wait for my first stage 32 collaboration
It truly is fantastic to get connected to so many creative people all in one space. Digital Media Solution - a completely online collaboration is a fantastic idea. If you ever need a composer/arranger...
Expand commentIt truly is fantastic to get connected to so many creative people all in one space. Digital Media Solution - a completely online collaboration is a fantastic idea. If you ever need a composer/arranger, let me know! I would love to get involved. www.tesstyler.com
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In an ideal world, all preparation for shooting happens off set. Everyone shows up as prepared as possible. The production designer isn't asking questions on set that could have been dealt with before...
Expand commentIn an ideal world, all preparation for shooting happens off set. Everyone shows up as prepared as possible. The production designer isn't asking questions on set that could have been dealt with before. Nor is the cinematographer or the sound engineer. They know what's expected of them, they know the specifics of the shoot and what to expect when they get there. The same should be true with actors. Their work is at home, in rehearsals and prior to the shoot. It's up to the director to organize readings and rehearsals, give notes and be available for questions from the actor. Discussions about character should happen prior to arriving on set, when the entire production is not held up while those discussions take place. That being said, some productions skip these important preparations due to time or budget constraints, inexperienced directors or other issues. Subsequently, they'll have more to deal with on set. Additionally, things change and evolve once shooting begins -- which is what makes working on set so exciting! -- and unforeseen problems and opportunities arise. An actor who has done everything they can prior to arriving on set to learn the story, get into character and engage in their performance, may still need to interact with their director on set. But whatever questions and input they have at that point will be new ideas or potential problems identified during the shoot that should just take the performance up a notch. @Ed, I think actors can absolutely be brilliant AND easy to work with. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. The myth that actors have to be difficult, challenging people to give a great performance is just that, a myth. If actors are sacrificing performance for niceness or making "too safe" choices, that certainly is a problem but then, hopefully preparation with the director will have identified that. If a director doesn't know how to get great performances, they can hire better actors by working with a top-notch casting director, get training to learn how to give direction, take acting classes themselves, hire an acting coach, choose better scripts or work with actors more prior to arriving on set.
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@ Angelique. Never said it was mutually exclusive. Many talented actors are absolute delights, however many are very nice and can remember lines and work repetitively with very little talent. I would...
Expand comment@ Angelique. Never said it was mutually exclusive. Many talented actors are absolute delights, however many are very nice and can remember lines and work repetitively with very little talent. I would suggest you read this missive from Arthur Penn. What he says is ABSOLUTELY happening to the craft and business of acting. SEE BELOW: "I do not want to know another thing about what a nice guy or gal someone on the stage is: This is entirely irrelevant to me. Some sort of desperation has crept into our theatre--all of our arts, really, but we're discussing theatre--where we feel a defensive wall is erected around the meretriciousness of our work by highlighting how hard someone has worked; how many hours they've put in at the soup kitchen; how many hours they spent researching the aphasic mind in order to replicate the actions of one; how many ribbons sweep across their breast in support of causes; how much they love their lives and how lucky they feel to be on Broadway! There is very little art, but there is a great deal of boosterism. Fill the seats; buy a T-shirt; post something on the Internet; send out an e-mail blast. I'm in my eighties, and I think I should have left this earth never knowing what an e-mail blast was. I saw a play recently that was festooned with understudies: Not the actual understudies, but the hired, primary actors, all of whom performed (if that is the word) precisely like a competent, frightened understudy who got a call at dinner and who raced down to take over a role. No depth; no sense of preparation. These were actors who had learned their lines and who had showed up. And that is all. I spoke to the director afterwards. By all accounts a nice and talented and smart guy. I asked him why a particular part in this play--a Group Theatre classic--had been given to this certain actor. He's a great guy, was the response. Prince of a fellow. Well, perhaps, but send him home to be a prince to his wife and children; he is a shattering mediocrity. But nice and easy counts far too much these days. Another director told me--proudly--that he had just completed his third play in which there wasn't one difficult player; not one distraction; not one argument. Can I add that these were among the most boring plays of our time? They were like finely buffed episodes of Philco Playhouse: tidy, neat, pre-digested, and forgotten almost immediately, save for the rage I felt at another missed opportunity. All great work comes to us through various forms of friction. I like this friction; I thrive on it. I keep hearing that Kim Stanley was difficult. Yes, she was: in the best sense of the word. She questioned everything; nailed everything down; got answers; motivated everyone to work at her demonically high standard. Everyone improved, as did the project on which she was working, whether it was a scene in class, a TV project, a film, or a play. Is that difficult? Bring more of them on. Is Dustin Hoffman difficult? You bet. He wants it right; he wants everything right, and that means you and that means me. I find it exhilarating, but in our current culture, they would prefer someone who arrived on time, shared pictures of the family, hugged everyone and reminded them of how blessed he is to be in a play, and who does whatever the director asks of him. Is Warren Beatty difficult? Only if you're mediocre or lazy. If you work hard and well, he's got your back, your front, and your future well in hand. He gets things right--for everybody. No friction. No interest. No play. No film. It's very depressing. I don't want to know about your process. I want to see the results of it. I'll gladly help an actor replicate and preserve and share whatever results from all the work that has been done on a part, but I don't want to hear about it. I've worked with actors who read a play a couple of times and fully understood their characters and gave hundreds of brilliant performances. I don't know how they reached that high level of acting, and I don't care. My job is to provide a safe environment, to hold you to the high standards that have been set by the playwright, the other actors, and by me. I hold it all together, but I don't need to know that your second-act scene is so true because you drew upon the death of your beloved aunt or the time your father burned your favorite doll. Now the process is public, and actors want acclimation for the work they've put into the work that doesn't work. Is this insane? Read the newspapers, and there is an actor talking about his intentions with a part. I've pulled strands of O'Neill into this character, and I'm looking at certain paintings and photographs to gain a certain texture. And then you go to the theatre and see the performance of a frightened understudy. But a great gal or guy. Sweet. Loves the theatre. Every year or so, I tell myself I'm going to stop going to see plays. It's just too depressing. But I remember how much I love what theatre can be and what theatre was, and I go back, an old addict, an old whore who wants to get the spark going again. I don't think we can get the spark going again because the people working in the theatre today never saw the spark, so they can't get it going or keep it going if it walked right up to them and asked for a seat. It's a job, a career step, a rehabilitation for a failed TV star or aging film star. I got a call from one of these actresses, seeking coaching. I need my cred back, she said. This is not what the theatre is supposed to be, but it is what the theatre now is. I don't want to just shit on the theatre: It's bad everywhere, because it's all business, real-estate space with actors. It's no longer something vital. I used to think that the theatre was like a good newspaper: It provided a service; people wanted and needed it; revenue was provided by advertisers who bought space if the paper delivered, but profit was not the motive--the motive was the dissemination of truth and news and humor. Who goes to the theatre at all now? I think those in the theatre go because it's an occupational requirement: They want to keep an eye on what the other guys are going, and they want to rubberneck backstage with those who might use them in the future. But who are the audiences? They want relief not enlightenment. They want ease. This is fatal. I talk to Sidney Lumet. I talk to Mike Nichols. I ask them if I'm the crazy old man who hates everything. You might be, they say, but you're not wrong. They have the same feelings, but they work them out or work around them in different ways. The primary challenges of the theatre should not always be getting people to give a shit about it. The primary challenge should be to produce plays that reach out to people and change their lives. Theatre is not an event, like a hayride or a junior prom--it's an artistic, emotional experience in which people who have privately worked out their stories share them with a group of people who are, without their knowledge, their friends, their peers, their equals, their partners on a remarkable ride." ~~ director ARTHUR PENN
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Completely agree, Ed! And as someone who has worked in a lot of different fields, I'd have to say this is true in every industry. I've always been passionate, outspoken and given 100% of myself to an...
Expand commentCompletely agree, Ed! And as someone who has worked in a lot of different fields, I'd have to say this is true in every industry. I've always been passionate, outspoken and given 100% of myself to an endeavor and can tell you is almost never appreciated. Not by bosses or co-workers or even clients. Makes their job harder, right? As Penn says, it's a business. It's not about making a great product, it's about churning it out and selling it. But then the mediocrity doesn't apply just to actors, either. It affects the writing the most. When Hollywood hires younger, less experienced people to make movies to save money, they must also hire nice, non-threatening actors to work with. I mean, a really smart actor challenges a director in a way they may not want to be. I remember hearing a great story about Clint Eastwood working with a young director who said he'd do the shot more than once (or twice) but the director better not use the first take. Meaning, don't waste my time because you don't know what you're doing. A less feisty, experienced, famous, talented actor would never say that. It really comes down to the definition of "difficult," doesn't it? What to one person is a pain in the ass is to another person the very essence of creating art. Which only reinforces that the director is in charge and it is up to the director to set the expectations of the actor and establish the relationship.
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Thank you Ed.